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kbgtr001



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 3:36 pm    Post subject: Percussive Guitarists Reply with quote

Eric Roche - Roundabout

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rQVuyZNQ18


Bio;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Roche


Eric Roche - Percussion Techniques Lesson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdcQyOEnHv8&feature=related
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 11:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was able to watch Eric live ,and talk to him a couple of times.The last time was the year before he passed.He would be playing and his hair would be flying,and he would be all over the guitar.Just a great musician and person.He was so full of life,and then he was gone.It was a big loss for the world in general.He is missed !!!
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 4:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, that was cool, but I kept waiting for it to go somewhere. I think the tuning is driving the music. Check out Tommy Emmanuel.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 5:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dave Illig wrote:
Well, that was cool, but I kept waiting for it to go somewhere. I think the tuning is driving the music.


You're right.. it's harmonically 'stagnant', the tuning 'holds it in place'; but I'm good with that.
I like the focus on the 'percussive' qualities and the tapping/strumming gestures; which is why I thought it might be an interesting post.
Nice essay/discussion on exploring the percussive personality of the acoustic guitar.

-kb
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 3:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree it was a great post, he rocked. I recommended Tommy Emannuel because he does some incredible percussion on guitar. I think you would like it. He is also a great player in many other facets.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaWwRrte7Ls

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZzUCuCosnE&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lbvSBNLLoo

It is all good, it's music.

Dave
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 4:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dave Illig wrote:
I recommended Tommy Emannuel because he does some incredible percussion on guitar. I think you would like it.

It is all good, it's music.

Dave


Yes, I do it like it.

The 'Tommy Emmanuel - Percussion / Mombasa' is totally 'sic.'
The drummers 'brush' sequence is great.


Here are a couple of 'Kaki King' 'Playing with Pink Noise' videos.

Live on letterman;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shYdqbJgQdc


A 'produced' music video type;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbJnwk3GBiM


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 6:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah man, all this stuff is great. Mark has some great comments on the "grass is always greener". I love all music, but my heart lies in jazz and I am heading back to that. All the best to the "percussionists".

Dave
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 7:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dave Illig wrote:
Yeah man, all this stuff is great. Mark has some great comments on the "grass is always greener". I love all music, but my heart lies in jazz and I am heading back to that. All the best to the "percussionists".

Dave


Mark's

'RATING YOUR ABILITY - IS THE GRASS REALLY GREENER?'

http://www.visionmusic.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=122&highlight=grass
is certainly an appropriate line of thought in this thread.

I'm very much interested the 'percussive dimension', possibilities, of the Acoustic Guitar and I think it has a place in our improvisation dialogue.
What I really like about the initial Eric Roche presentation, is the 'clarity' and 'laid back' discussion about his approach and technique.
I think it has 'educational value.'

The 'Round-About' performance also has great potential as backing track to jam along.
Just download the flash video from YouTube and add it to the 'jam track library.'
A lot of room to play around with melody lines over this terrific rhythm section.

-kb


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 7:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dave Illig wrote:
Mark has some great comments on the "grass is always greener". I love all music, but my heart lies in jazz and I am heading back to that.




Dave,

Another nice example of the guitar 'percussive personality' is the
Kenny Rankin style 'Percussive Pop' lesson here at VM;

http://www.visionmusic.com/lessons/percussive.html

Some nice Kenny Rankin videos at youtube;

Round Midnight;
http://youtube.com/watch?v=2R_H8aD0Ha0&feature=related

Little Help From My Friends;
http://youtube.com/watch?v=EGkvYOHC06I

I love hearing how he so freely works the vocal line over the
progression.


-kb


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 3:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One of the wonderful things about music is that there is something for everyone. I have absolutey no desire to play these styles of music, my daughter on the other hand loves this stuff and has learned a couple of tunes that Tommy did. I can hardly listen to the end of these clips, they just don't hold my attention.

Dave
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 11:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Tommy Emmanuel Reply with quote

Dave Illig wrote:
One of the wonderful things about music is that there is something for everyone. I have absolutey no desire to play these styles of music, my daughter on the other hand loves this stuff and has learned a couple of tunes that Tommy did. I can hardly listen to the end of these clips, they just don't hold my attention.


Dave,

So true. Hey, I'm still bummed out that I got replaced by Tommy E as your daughter's favorite acoustic guitarist! Laughing

Emmanuel is an incredible player, like Chet Atkins on steroids, and for an acoustic fingerstylist to make the cover of Just Jazz Guitar says a lot about his versatility, regardless of genre. Tommy's talent as a guitar virtuoso, creative arranger, and charismatic entertainer adds up to an artist who can hold my attention for a LONG time. Great sense of humor, too.

Btw, his "Live At Sheldon Hall" dvd remains my favorite solo guitar concert video ever, and I highly recommend it to anyone. All for now...

- Mark
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey, you are still #2 in her book. I have a DVD that Tommy did and I have watched it many times. He goes way beyond banging on an open tuned chord. He is a consumate musician and a master of many styles.

Dave
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PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2008 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kbgtr001 wrote:
Here are a couple of 'Kaki King' 'Playing with Pink Noise' videos.

Live on letterman;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shYdqbJgQdc

A 'produced' music video type;
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Kaki+King&search_type=


A couple of more nice examples to add to the 'Percussive Guitar' discussion;

Antoine Dufour - Reality

http://youtube.com/watch?v=b1GZC0GQKOA&feature=user

Andy Mckee - Guitar - Drifting

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ddn4MGaS3N4&feature=related


-kb
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PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2008 7:58 pm    Post subject: Re: TE & Percussive Guitarists Reply with quote

Dave Illig wrote:
Hey, you are still #2 in her book. I have a DVD that Tommy did and I have watched it many times. He goes way beyond banging on an open tuned chord. He is a consumate musician and a master of many styles.


Dave,

Good to hear that! Wink With all due respect to some very good players (thanks for the links, kb), I'm with you 100% on the "consummate musician" front with regards to TE. He's FAR more that just a guitarist with some percussive "tricks" up his sleeve. It may be a bit unfair to judge anyone on just a handful of first impressions and YouTube video clips, but I get the distinct feeling that there's not as much musically under the hood that would really keep my attention for any length of time. I can't speak for others and could be wrong, but in either case...

I always ask myself two things with regards to an artist:

1) Would I listen to that performance again?

2) Would I buy their CD or DVD?

That, for me, is the BIG difference with Tommy Emmanuel, because the first time I saw/heard him perform Mason Williams' "Classical Gas" at Muriel Anderson's All-Star Guitar Night 2000 (I reviewed that DVD), I was just blown away by what he brought to the table, and that was after just one listen/view. I replayed it countless times and immediately wanted to buy his recordings and videos.

TE also has a lifelong affinity for the blues, which shines through in his music, and it's something that I didn't detect whatsoever with these other "percussive" guitarists. Even if you were to remove all of his other elements and judge strictly on percussive imagination alone, in my book there's no comparison. All for now...

- Mark
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PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2008 9:07 pm    Post subject: Re: TE & Percussive Guitarists Reply with quote

Mark wrote:
With all due respect to some very good players (thanks for the links, kb),

- Mark


Thanks Mark.

Eric Roche has a nice solo guitar arrangement of Miles Davis 'Blue In Green.' I went looking but couldn't find it. I did come across a 'Blue In Green - Bass Play-along' by 'GBagley' video on YouTube. It seems consistent with the general VM discussion/dialogue, so I thought it might be interesting and have some educational value.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=3rNqVbA__YE


He has a couple of nice thoughts on his approach to learning/playing tunes that may be worth sharing;

'If you're trying to learn a song purely by ear, I usually start by figuring out the root notes for each chord first. Then listen for the top note of the chord, and fill in the pieces from there. Just listen over and over again and try things out until it sounds right. Always learn the Melody, and even transcribe some solos. The more you use your ear, the easier it gets!'


'Yep, I've got the Bass Clef Real Book (6th edition). When I'm learning pieces like this, I try to get to the point where I really know how all the chord changes sound, and then from there I use my ear to play whatever comes to mind. Usually using the root as a starting point and then embellishing from there. I try to play by ear as much as possible, rather than thinking too much about what notes are flat/sharp or what intervals/scales might work best.'


-kb
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